According to them:
Mutilating your genitals for sky daddy in your head- good and normal
Surgery to be your true self - Deranged
I hate this hell world.
Job: “Thanks for giving me back everything you took from me in that bet with Satan, but can you please bring my dead family back to life?”
God: “We haven’t established that lore yet.”
God: I replaced them, what’s your problem?
I constantly reference Job for exactly that logic. Early Christianity saw family as property first.
Once you start learning about some newer iterations of Christianity like Mormonism and Seventh Day Adventism, where there are actual accounts of their prophets, you do realize how these people were either really good con artists or just insane.
Why not both?
I’m just wondering what kind of parents name their kid Abraham. Like “We’re gonna name him after that guy. Yes, that one.”
And then he grows up and frees the slaves. Go figure.
when one person believes a delusion, it’s schizophrenia. when millions do, it’s religion
True, when enough people do something it gets normalised, no matter how crazy.
They had it with opium, and we have this thing with the hard drug alcohol.
2.5 billion
Honestly less. How many are just going along with it because its the easiest path?
that would be, 95% of them
I think so as well. If they could just see how hard they make their lives by listening to the few who mainly use it get away with their crimes.
i’ve never met a christian that practices what they preach… even if they do good things, it’s half assed and symbolic….
like feeding homeless people garbage while screaming bible shit on a megaphone…
I know all too well. Many of them do it for the attention. My parents got up in church every sunday and pleaded for everyone to pray for me. I remember so many times my dad would get right up in my face screaming at me at the top of his lungs. Every cuss word except the one that starts with F would fly out of his mouth. After all that is where he drew the line. Never of course when anyone other than my mother would see. They always made a big show of any kindness they did for me. Only for them to take it back when their audience had left. There are so many of those types that gravitate toward power that there is no hope for most of them. They are either their fools or their tools but one thing is for certain anyone who really believes is being manipulated by those that just use it for their own gain. I have never in my life felt further from decency than in the congregation of a baptist church.
i read an interesting article the other day about how some neurodivergencies gave rise to religion in primitive human communities.
Well hey, when your invisible friend says kill, you kill.
Whats even funnier is that in the original (Jewish interoperation) god does this as a joke. Yes god literally makes a bet with angels over if he’ll acturally go through with it. Then said angels go down to earth to attempt to sway him because they wanted to win the bet.
How exactly is the Jewish interpretation different from the Christian one? I thought the Christian Old Testament was identical to the Torah. I ask as someone who was raised Methodist.
I wouldn’t trust anyone who misspelled interpretation twice.
interpenetration
The difference is that the Jewish interpenetration developed both before and after Christianity started, so its not really possible for them to be the same.
The Torah is only the first five books of the Old Testament. Depending on what branch of Christianity you go by, the Old Testament contains 39-49 books. But that’s only a small nit.
I’ve never heard of that particular interpretation of the Abraham story, being raised Catholic. I also can’t find any sources that say that the Jews believe that the Abrahamic Covenant started as a joke between God and the angels, but then again my quick search might not have had the right keywords.
All religions suck. Even if you make a religion that’s normal, people will make it weird.
No wonder they are always in war.
And then God was all like “It was just a joke dog. Why you gettin’ all triggered?”
Just Joshua-ing ya, bro.
Not sacrificing his son is actually a late edit, this is known because through though they changed the text to an angel stopping him, it still preserved the original language that describes ‘‘THEY went up the mountain’’ and ‘‘HE came down the mountain’’
There’s evidence that ancient Israelites, like most other cultures in that area, practiced human sacrifice.
Elsewhere in the Bible, Jepthah sacrifices his daughter in Judges 11. No angels intervene.
And they’ll keep on circumcising their sons while unironically screaming about anyone who respects trans rights being out to surgically mutilate all children. What a world.
That seems somewhat antisemitic, if you ask me. Not all jews are anti-trans.
Sorry, m8. Here, I’ll fix it.
trans rightspalestinian rights
There, should be kosher now.
It is not. There are enough Jews that don’t support the actions of Israel for your comment to be definetly antisemitic.
Just not enough to stop the genocide. Work on those numbers.
As a Jewish person the vast majority of religious Jews are extremely transphobic and also incredibly homophobic. So no its acturally not inaccurate at all, most Rabbis will genuenly complain about Trans people mutalating and indoctrinating people while doing that themselves.
They didn’t say anything about jews being anti-trans.
Jewish scholars often recognize 8 genders.
There are Jewish TERFs, but they tend to also be alt right Zionists.
Didn’t even say anything about Jews. Most people I’ve meant who are pro circumcision and follow an Abrahamic god are not Jewish.
But Americans that circumcise(which I did not know happened), don’t do it for religious reasons. And Muslims don’t believe in the story depicted, so this by elimination only applies to Jews.
Ah yes! The famous three branches of abrahamic faith: Judaism, Islam, and America.
From what I understand it’s also still the standard in the US. Originally popularised because it would keep boys from fondling themselves which, of course, would make Sky Daddy angry.
But if that’s not the case, I’d happily stand corrected by someone more knowledgeable on this topic.
Wait… you mean we’d fondle ourselves even more if we were uncut??? When do you guys ever sleep???
It"s a hard life 😔
… but that woodwork needs to be done. 😞
I would say that Christians are not required to circumcise themselves, since jewish law only applied to Jews before Christ, and it actually made sense to do so back then, for hygienic reasons.
I was unaware Americans do this, but first I would say that that practice is clearly not connected to Abraham, that is portrayed here, in any way, even if what you say is correct. And it is a cultural practice, not a relgious one, and even if it was, as you say, motivated by religious views.
But I… am not sure how circumcision would prevent anyone from touching himself, so I am highly sceptical of that claim.
Finally, I will say that it would be unfair to transpose the beliefs of an obscure american sect of Christianity on the entire Christendom. Especially since there is literally no religious requirement for Christians to do so.
You’re wrong and need to stop typing.
Cirucmcision was commonly promoted as a means to keep boys chaste in the US and was a popular “treatment” promoted by Kellogg at the time (yeah the cereal guy).
Christians may not be required to do it but we’ve got a few tens of millions at least who do do it out of social cohesion reasons and that’s enough of a “reason” for them.
Here’s a quote by Kellogg on how a circumcision should be ideally performed by the way.
the operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anaesthetic [to] have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases.
Dude was whack job, American af and not Jewish. Kellogg encouraged parents to tie their children’s hands to their bedposts or to circumcise their teenage boys. An even more aggressive tactic saw the foreskin of a young man’s penis sewed shut to prevent erections. For young girls, he recommended pouring carbolic acid on their clitorises.
So no, saying some shit about circumcision being genital mutilation ain’t antisemitic in America. Most people who do it aren’t Jewish, it has a long history of non-Jews doing it and most of the people circumcised in America were done so by non-Jews.
In fact approximately 58.3% of all newborns in the US get circumcised despite any religious affiliation were still happening as of 2010. Recent days could change but not drastically enough to change the point.
(https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/circumcision_2013/circumcision_2013.htm)
So shut up about it already.
But they are not doing it because they are Christians. The vast majority of Christians don’t do it, and atheist americans do it too. This is just a quirk of america, that is religiously coloured because that is what america is like.
And the comment I responded to was talking about people who circumcise for religious reasons.
So it is you, who is wrong.
I’m rubber you’re glue.
lmao mfw I remember why I stay away from atheist spaces. Just the most sweaty debate bros ever.
Seriously! I just read this and I was like, fuck, I remember being 16 too
But I… am not sure how circumcision would prevent anyone from touching himself, so I am highly sceptical of that claim.
The idea was, if I’m not mistaken, that without foreskin sensitivity & pleasure decreases. So that way there is less ‘risk’ of boys engaging in sexual activities, other than for reproductive purposes.
Wow. If I was prompted to come up with the stupidest notion right now, I would hardly make up something dumber.
The Jews at least had a normal reason to do this(hygiene), this is ridiculous. Do you still do this?
Not all circumcised are Jews. Most aren’t in fact.
In the US circumcision was the norm for the longest time. Thank John Harvey Kellogg for that. I don’t think it’s recommended anymore.
It’s probably still a lot more uncommon than being uncircumcised because “well I guess it should look like mine or most of the others”
Aesthetic and looking like the father is a big reason women still support doing so.
But the only religion that holds to this story of Abraham, and circumsises is Judaism.
Muslims reject the Torah, or the Old Testament, and Christians are under no obligation to circumcise so this only applies to Jews.
And Americans do it
because they are weirdfor cultural reasons.Dude. Wipe your computer screen clean, open your eyes, and notice the text in the meme about 4 billion people who think nothing is wrong with this: Christians are invoked directly in the post.
Christians are under no obligation to circumcise so this only applies to Jews.
But they still believe it.
Believe what?
The story of Abraham
The most important question: which child did he try to kill? Was it Isaac, the son he fathered with his barren wife? Or was it Ishmael, the son he fathered with his wife’s handmaiden?
In Islam, iirc, it’s Ishmael. Islam traces a lot back to Hagar and Ishmael - one of the stops on the Hajj is the spring that God made to keep Hagar alive when Sarah drove her out.
Adam and Eve were the first humans.
They beget Cain and Abel.
Cain kills Abel.
Then he wanders around, meets his wife and builds a city ???
Most of the bible makes no sense, except in a symbolic way.
Fun fact: Abraham goes up the mountain with his son but comes down alone, suggesting that in the original text he went through with the child sacrifice.
The Bible has tons of edits like this, it’s fun to spot them—and even more so to guess the intent behind them. Often when a seemingly irrelevant detail (or an entire chapter) is inserted in the middle of a story, that’s an edit (although there are also genuine errors). In general, the Bible is not as well put-together as people tend to think. In this case, whoever wrote this wanted to make clear that Judaism does not condone human sacrifice, in contrast to other contemporary religions.
Others (chiefly those who consider the text to be holy) interpret the pronoun change as indicative of an emotional separation between Abraham and his son, as if following these events they don’t want to walk together any more.
whoever wrote this wanted to make clear that Judaism does not condone human sacrifice, in contrast to other contemporary religions.
I suspect that the addition of the lamb(goat?) Was a latter addition to distance Judaism from child sacrifice but that Judaism did evolve out of a religious tradition that practiced child sacrifice (and idolatry). But I’m also aware of how antisemites would love to slander modern Judaism with accusations in a similar vein, so it’s a kinda difficult line to walk.
