For people who still need Windows:
I have a 10-year-old Surface Pro 4 and I was able to freely upgrade to Windows 11 and it works fine. It wasn’t technically supported but I enabled preview builds or something like that (I think I had to enable the Insider program) and it showed up as a Windows Update. I don’t know if this is applicable to all PCs that don’t support Win 11, but surely it’s applicable to some of them that Windows says don’t support Win 11.
While I agree this is a shit thing to do, I am looking forward to the influx of cheap hardware.
They’re not even ashamed of intentionally creating e-waste for people that don’t know that Linux exists
Theyre not ashamed of anything
“Trade it”
TO FUCKING WHOM? The whole point is that you made it useless.
(Unless this is Microsoft providing some free advertising for Linux)
Trade it in.
In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts, rather than you just getting nothing for it (recycling).
They are not going to recommend you use an alternative OS, and probably not because they’re worried about market share, but because they then have some responsibility for every time a person fucks up a Linux install.
In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts,
Except for the parts that Windows obsoleted. Not saying that they’re valueless, but they certainly tanked the value of otherwise useful parts.
SELL IT TO WHO, BEN? AQUAMAN???
My thoughts exactly. Didn’t think anybody would get the reference.
Probably going to be a ton of cheap used computers on the market in the near future for installing Linux on
The prices have already been cratering for anything with 7th gen and older Intel CPUs. Full systems seem to be under $100 now where just a year or two ago they were around $200 or more
Oh good. My PC is actually 11 years old. The hard drive died a few months ago. So I replaced the 3.5inch sata 7200rpm drive with an enclosure that holds 2 2.5inch drives. I’m using solid state for the first time. I was able to clone my Windows 7 drive to a solid state drive. It works even better than the original drive.
But! That enclosure makes it so that I can just turn off the PC, eject the drive, insert a different drive, and now I’m on an entirely different OS. It’s my first time using linux…it still sucks, but it’s useable. Last time I tried linux was right before I bought this PC 11 years ago. I tried using linux on a PC that previously was running Windows XP. I couldn’t even get it to boot. Now things generally work, but it has BEEN a constant struggle, and a constant learning experience.
You’re… Still running windows 7?
Every now and then a little devil on my shoulder says “you should set up a cluster computer that serves a secondary function as a smart space heater” and it’s gonna be really hard to ignore if the deals are good enough.
The only thing turning. To waste is the motherboard right? It sucks, but throw out a whole computer because of a motherboard is a wacky move.
That’s assuming the user knows that and didn’t just buy a prebuilt tower from Costco, and that it isn’t a laptop or something where changing the motherboard is much harder if not impossible.
The only thing turning to waste is the OS. You can still use anything else fine.
Well if you have to throw out the motherboard, there’s a high chance you have to replace the cpu too.
Might also be ram compatibility problems
The problem is more the CPU than the motherboard. But upgrading the CPU might also mean upgrading the motherboard and maybe RAM.
There is a way to circumvent the checker. I can’t remember what we did. It was like disable TPM maybe? If folks want to install W11 on their old computer.
“But don’t learn about Windows 10 LTSC IoT!”
if i remember correctly, some ltsc versions will get updated until 2029
“Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021” should be getting 10 years of updates, so until 2031.
IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 - until 2032 - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2021
nice
One thing I would keep in mind is that the Win64 API does change from release-to-release and that my guess is that if very few people using a software package are still using a version of Windows, application software developers may stop intentionally avoiding newer API calls and features, and will just have their new release require a newer version of Windows.
That may be okay for some use cases, like if you just want to keep an existing system working. But I think that it’s worth keeping in mind that you may increasingly not be able to use:
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New software packages.
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Newer releases of existing packages.
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Software packages that make use of cloud-based services that drop support.
They’re probably going to take into account the percentage of people using the thing in setting their compatibility targets for developers and their testing.
Great advice. Here’s hoping the LTSC market share and user base noticeably increase once Win10 is no longer supported.
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recycle it
Haha, like in the landfill or the incinerator?
No no no
You dump it in some third world country, out of sight out of mind
Time to encourage people to switch to Linux instead
I can’t get the more elaborate functions of my common Logitech mouse to work properly. And Linux systems like to cause my computer to periodically hang for some reason. In Windows, it used to BSOD, and I managed to fix the issue in Windows but it seems impossible for me to fix in Linux because of how vague of an issue it is.
Just buy a working mouse, stupid
The basic mouse features work, stupid. It’s the gesture button/features that don’t work, stupid. No one has come up with good support for anything other than basic mouse features on Linux, stupid.
As much as I dislike Windows, it’s incredibly uncommon for it to blue screen unless there’s some kind of hardware fault. And if it’s happening in Linux too, you’ve got bad/dying hardware.
In Linux, if your system is hanging for a bit then coming back, then it’s probably a drying hard drive.
One thing you can check with is Burn In Test on Windows. It will stress all the individual components and tell you what’s failing.
Like I said, my computer no longer has BSODs in Windows after some settings I changed. I think I just ended up reducing the max percentage of the processor usage or something and it worked great after.
I do remember when I first got the laptop, it was frustrating because it would BSOD with relative frequency. I was very frustrated with the manufacturer…because the laptop would always pass hardware benchmark tests and the BSODs were random, so they refused to look at it under warranty. Errors were always super vague but primarily seemed to point toward the video card. The video card is integrated and not its own dedicated card.
I don’t think I have ever tried that particular set of texts before, though. I tried googling it…is it the one by Pass Mark? If so, I’ll check it out, thanks.
Re: hanging in Linux…no, the system would completely freeze up and never recover until I manually powered down the system. Interestingly, I found some other users stating that they had this issue with Firefox because of some resources issue or something. So I planned to try to switch to Chrome, but got frustrated with the features mouse not being compatible anyway. So I left it at that.
Do you remember what you fixed when you fixed it on the window side? Asking because what you’re describing almost sounds like you have a bad driving it, which would explain why your Linux side would also have a similar problem, IE locking up completely start, if it had the same bad driver and interacted with the hardware the same way causing a similar crash.
Honestly, if it’s fixable in the windows it’s definitely fixable Linux. It just might take a little bit more extra work to figure it out.
Sounds like a bad piece of hardware if it spans OS’s.
Wouldn’t surprise me, but the point was that it’s fixable in Windows but not the Linux distros I have tried.
I’d ask which ones you’ve tried but I can tell you already made up your mind.
So far I’ve tried Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Pop OS. Although I only briefly tried Pop OS. Didn’t stick around long enough to see if it would have issues as well. There were other issues with that one that I can’t quite remember…I think it was that often the OS would decide not to boot. Something about a weird compatibility issue with the BIOS or something.
If Linux had more support for games I would
What games don’t work?
Most of the time, the issue is the drm on games or anticheat.
I’ve been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.
The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.
I’m not a huge gamer myself but the handful of games I do like to play every now and then all run on Linux.
Dude…c’mon now. Check my history. I am NOT a linux defender. I am more along the lines of a linux user mocker. I find the OS to be confusing, but I find the userbase to just be SO…SO mockable. Just making fun of linux brings them out in droves. And it’s so funny to point out how the whole OS is clearly terminal mandated to enjoy the OS. Just say something like that, and you’ll twist somebodies knickers.
That being said, of all the things that are legitimately awful about linux, you chose the GAME SUPPORT??? My god. Steam is THE storefront on PC. They have a vested interest in helping linux’s development, as long as that development goes towards making games work. The steamdeck is literally their financial incentive to make certain that your claim isn’t close to being true.
And sure, you could say you disagree with Steam’s practice of LICENSING you a game. Not selling. There is a difference. I get it. That is something that is in itself a problem, but that also doesn’t relate to your issue. Because even if you stayed on Windows, you’d still have to buy from Steam. They’re just as dominant on Windows, as they are on linux.
So, you COULD buy from GOG. The issue is, they specialize in retro games. So, their library may have massive gigantic gaps in titles. But again, this would also be true on Windows.
So…yeah, I don’t know how you would defend linux game support being lackluster.
Unless you use something other than iOS or Android, you’re also a *nix user. Have fun lol
I don’t like how you worded this because you overlook the fact that games with a kernal anti-cheat don’t work on Linux. This is the only reason I haven’t switched over yet. The only arguments people make is “just play other games” which is not helpful at all and suggesting dual booting which I’d have to do what? Daily? Maybe twice a day? Whats the use of having Linux then?
which game?
Valorant
ew
no, i’m kidding. that one’s completely on riot, their other games worked fine on linux until they turned that feature off. it’s shitty behaviour and they’re basically the only ones doing it.
100% its just riot being an ahole but its still the reason I’m not switching
I actually agree with most of what you’re saying but you could at least pretend to sound less insane.
I had to check which comment you were referencing. I thought it was going to be the one where I said how hot it would be if Taylor Swift wore a strap-on, and made Mr Feenie (the teacher from boy meets world) her bitch. But about linux gaming? Me? Insane sounding? :O
username checks out.
Real, Valorant is the only game really keeping me from Linux at this point. Steam with proton has really improved linux gaming
Games aren’t much of an issue anymore, it’s the other software that keeps me from switching
Games with kernal anti-cheats sadly are the main issue still
You’re begging to get hacked by installing that garbage
Ahyes, most sensible answer I’ve gotten on this topic as of yet
glad to help
Nah, the real problem is people willing installing rootkits on their computer because anticheat is somehow very important…
I don’t believe kernal anti-cheats add enough value for the risk they add but I still enjoy the games.
Me spending 4 hours last night trying to get a repack to install in lutris for it to crash every 5 mins xD
Oh no! Your pirated game isn’t working properly! Let’s blame the OS!
When did I once “blame the OS”? Just because I am frustrated with not being able to get it running I never once said it was the fault of the OS. In fact the opposite, I care about continuing to use the OS and that is why I spent so long troubleshooting my issue…
It was a sarcastic jab. I don’t agree with software piracy in general, that’s all.
Just play steam games. Then it’s only 90 minutes every other night of troubleshooting
(Mostly satire, proton has gotten incredible. I still have a windows install on my PC for gaming but I honestly don’t know the last time I’ve had an issue on my steam deck)
looks at empty wallet after paying for rent and food for the month :P
Yeh proton is pretty good and I know things are way better than they ever were before but things still aren’t always simple for people with no experience of Linux :)
looks at empty wallet after paying for rent and food for the month :P
continues to choose a paid platform over an arguably-superior free alternative
Hi Hawke, I understand your fustration with needing to troubleshoot things. Steam allows you to import any exe as a ‘non-steam game’ to your library and run it with the proton compatability layer. I sometimes have success getting a GOG game installed by running the install exe through proton or wine. Make sure you are using the most up to date version of lutris many package managers are outdated flatpak will gaurentee its most up to date. Hope it all works out for you
Lol wut, my wallet is empty hence why I’m using repacks and my initial post was about the frustration of getting them to run on Linux… So what are you on about?
Tbh, the only problems I ever had with gaming on Linux was:
- Nvidia driver bullshit
- Couldn’t do multiplayer on one indie game
Gaming on Linux is like 98% of the way there imo. It was overall a good experience, and we’ve got plans to switch the big family gaming computer to Linux when MS starts pushing their live service windows 12 crap
If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux. The exception is games with agressive anti-cheat.
If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux.
I’ve been using my nearly 8-year-old GPU (an AMD Vega 56) in Linux just fine for nearly 8 years (i.e., since the day I bought it). Even in the first few years, before Proton existed, I had been playing Windows games on it using plain old WINE via PlayOnLinux.
The even older GPU I used to use before that (an AMD Radeon R7 260X) is still installed in my Linux home server, and I would expect to be able to play Windows games on it just fine too (at least in terms of compatibility, if not raw performance of decade-plus-old hardware).
All that is to say, I’m confused about what you mean by “fairly recent.”
Isn’t that counter to telling people to switch because their computer is too old for win 11?
Yes but it more “the manufacturer decided not to pay us to test it” rather than “it actually won’t work”
Everyone should try it out by all means. I’d like everyone to use linux. All I’m conveying is my own experience. If you have an ancient GPU, and things are seemingly running fine on windows, you might yet find that it does not run fine on linux. I guess I should have emphasised that I am refering to hardware from a decade ago.
Ironically SteamOS is based on Arch Linux lol
When’s the last time you tried?
I’ve been gaming on bazzite and haven’t found a game that doesn’t work. Haven’t had to touch a command line or anything, everything has been stable out of the box
Bazzite runs really badly
Funny because I tried 4 different distros before I found one that would load on my laptop… Bazzite.
How about Valorant? Its basically the only game (+ rainbow six siege / PUBG potentially, idk if these work) blocking me from switching. I know all my other games will work without issue cause they run on my steam deck as well.
EA’s fancy new kernel level anti-cheat is plaguing battlefield games. Also Rockstar broke GTA:O with their Anti-cheat (even though the Anti-cheat they use supports Linux)
The issue is that the Linux playerbase is so small, but its a self fulfilling prophecy. Players don’t play on Linux cause of the issues and the issues are there cause there are not enough players on Linux.
This simply isn’t true. Fragpunk, a brand new title, works without a single modification on Linux. It takes a negligible amount of effort for the developers, often just a single toggle in the anticheat config.
Depends on the anti-cheat bud
Check out distros like Pop!_OS or Nobara. Linux gaming has come a long way recently due to Valve going all in on linux for the Steam Deck. Frankly even just the standard mainline distros aren’t terrible for gaming these days tbh.
Just switched to Linux Mint. So worth it
That’s insane
Try Linux on it, specifically have a crack at raspberry pi os first. https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/ . See the section for Raspberry pi desktop for PC and mac .
Ah, got a little bit worried there, no linux propaganda in a whole bunch of replies!
Mint is so cool BTW, it’s like XP/Seven, it just works.
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built
They’ve been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?
Also, I’m pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself…
most secure windows.jpg
I mean, Tiny11 both is and isn’t Windows, depending on whether you count “Windows 11 with everything but the bare essentials optional” as “Windows” 🤷
I mean, one would hope that whenever there is a new version it’s more secure than the last one. Not that it’s true, but that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
As long as you consider every claim Microsoft makes to be either a lie or inherently unprovable until the opposite is proven, that is. Which you should tbh.
I for one will be looking forward to getting mid-spec PCs dirt cheap.
The ONLY thing I still apparently need Windows for is running OPL Manager and HDL Batch Installer for my Playstation 2 hard drives. Can anyone point me in a direction of Linux alternatives? I managed to get WinHiip running in Wine, but it can’t see the PS2 HDD from Wine. Pretty sure I need something that runs native, and for the life of me I cannot find anything. Which is really surprising to me.
