A few days ago I was really bored and thought… Fck it, it can’t really be that bad and paid for a month, wouldn’t hurt to try…

Well that was a waste of money…

1st issue: Can’t stream over airplay.

A common thing i do because I’m a lazy piece of sh!t is I have a piece of software called “uxplay” which is a software airplay server that works way better than it has any right to. So what I do when I’m too lazy to get up from my couch is I connect my Mac with the uxplay server and just watch things that way. It’s a bog standard M3 MacBook air, nothing done to it, nothing…

So imagine my surprise when I tried to play Netflix while streaming over airplay and just saw a black screen… Yep, it just did not work… I couldn’t believe it at 1st but yep, apparently it’s a part of their DRM…

Issue 2: 4k is a lie…

Ok, I thought to myself, fine, I’ll watch it on my Mac directly… But the quality looked… Off. Sure enough, it was streaming at 1080p with a bit rate so low I could practically count the pixels… Ok, I thought to myself, I’ve heard of Netflix having issues on Linux (why I didn’t even try it on my PC) maybe I have something setup wrong… So I look at their docs and they state that safari should be able to play 4k full quality (yk, the thing I’m fucking paying for), I was trying to watch it on Arc (chromium based browser) so I thought, fair enough, I’m just gonna use safari… I log in do everything.

Still 1080p with an ass bit rate

Wtf

At this point I’m proper pissed off, I would have had less issues had I pirated the fcking show I wanted to watch at this point… But I gave it one last attempt, windows.

3rd issue: Windows… It’s by itself an issue

So, I have a stealth windows GPU passthrough virtual machine… The kind that most kernel level AC can’t detect. So I went “eh, if kernel level AC can’t detect it, surely Netflix won’t be able to”. And to it’s (the virtual machine’s credit) it was not detected… Problem is, 4k still didn’t fucking work. On Netflix’s own fcking website it states that edge should be able to play 4k no issue, so I relented and reinstalled edge to my debloated VM… Well that was a waste of time, the bit rate was a bit better but it was still 1080p… I tried extensions, changing flags, nope, Netflix just did not wanna stream at 4k… DESPITE ME FUCKING PAYING FOR IT… Ok, I thought, I have one last option, Netflix has an official windows app, except it’s only on the Microsoft store which just sat there for 5 minutes and then threw an error “unable to apply update” when trying to install the app…

Idk why people would ever pay for this shit, honestly. I didn’t expect anything and I was still disappointed. I didn’t expect it to work on Linux which is my daily driver but to be having issues on supposedly supported platforms, both Windows and Mac is completely unacceptable.

Afaik, their 4k plan is a straight up scam as I could not get it to stream at 4k, regardless of what I tried…

And I know it’s not my internet or my setup, I have gigabit internet ffs…

Sorry for the rant, I’m just really butthurt about having spent money on a service that doesn’t fcking work…

  • irish_link@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    13 days ago

    I know I may come off bad with this question but I ran into it a while back and felt like a fool.

    What show were you trying to watch, and does that show come in UHD.

    When I had it I would stream to the TV so it may be different but not all shows and movies Netflix has comes in 4K.

    It may all not give you that option because the resolution of the M3 MacBook Air is 2560x1664 and not actually 4k (3840 x 2160) I understand the pixel density changes things but the native resolution is what I am referencing. Unfortunately Netflix is not going to stream a higher resolution than the display natively supports from my understanding. May not hurt to hit up support with Netflix to see they can do anything to get it to stream 4K. Maybe they’ll even refund your money.

    • Presi300@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Here’s the thing though, even if you’re right, I shouldn’t have to call support to get the resolution I’m already paying for. I pay extra for 4k, what my screen is, pixel density, etc shouldn’t matter. I am paying for 4k, I should get 4k.

  • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    13 days ago

    kagis

    It sounds like specifically 4k resolution requires a trusted hardware stack, and I assume that the things you’ve tried are going to result in untrusted components somewhere in the stack.

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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        13 days ago

        I doubt that Airplay provides a path under the control of trusted hardware.

        • Presi300@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          13 days ago

          No, no, it straight up did not work with airplay, I couldn’t get 4k on the internal screen of the macbook.

          E: I know they should support it, that’s why I’m mad about it

      • FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        13 days ago

        So, you are complaining that a TV streaming service, with primary focus on streaming onto smart TVs, don’t perform on devices which are not main devices it caters for?

        • Presi300@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          13 days ago

          Precisely, it’s never marketed as a TV-only service anywhere so I have the full right to complain when I’m getting screwed over.

        • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          13 days ago

          Hey hey Felix! Back with your shit takes again, i see!

          Another way of seeing it is they’re pissed about a service not working as advertised.

          Examples for your reading comprehension impaired self:

          So I look at their docs and they state that safari should be able to play 4k full quality (yk, the thing I’m fucking paying for)

          On Netflix’s own fcking website it states that edge should be able to play 4k no issue

          Obviously they’re the stupid ones for simply believing what the company stated. Next time they’ll know to ask you for your input first!

            • Jtee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              13 days ago

              Are you 12? What kind of response is that?

              He called out your bad take and all you can say is ‘i fucked your wife’.

              OP is right, if advertised, it should do 4k via one of the supported browsers.

    • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Have you experienced what passes for “an actual TV that plays Netflix” these days?

      Miss me with that shit.

        • XeroxCool@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          13 days ago

          I feel like a detail got added and then missed. “Have you tried a TV” means using a TV as a display. The reply jumped to Smart TV with the Netflix app.

        • zqps@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          13 days ago

          Always-online locked down ad-riddled spyware on cheapass unfixable planned obsolescence hardware.

            • Ageroth@reddthat.comEnglish
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              13 days ago

              Are you?
              Modern “Televisions” are pretty much smartphones with a big ass screen connected to them, and as such often requires an internet connection and some form of a login to use, even if you’re hardwired directly to it.

              Modern tvs aren’t just a screen that displays the data you send it, they’re a standalone ad serving machine

              • FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                13 days ago

                Modern “Televisions” are pretty much smartphones with a big ass screen

                So, don’t you think watching on good quality “big ass screen” is nicer?

  • MrVilliam@lemm.eeEnglish
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    13 days ago

    It’s ludicrous that the original pirate-killer service has become such a bad deal. 13 years ago it was such a good deal that it didn’t really make sense to pirate anymore. Now it’s triple the price, 1/3 the quality content, and a words experience.

    I would have had less issues had I pirated

    This right here is the problem. Consumers are being punished for paying for their service. I would be more than happy to hand over my hard earned money for products and services that are good value. I’m not trying to get something from nothing here. It’s absurd that we could get better than they’re promising, let alone actually delivering on, and it could cost us nothing.

    Yesterday, I learned that several titles on Netflix are locked out from the ad-supported tier “due to licensing restrictions”. Inexcusable. Pay, still sit through ads, get a fraction of the library. I think I’m gonna start building a NAS and home library this year. BDs and DVDs can be snatched up for cheap from pawn shops and eBay. I’ll do it legally just so I can tell any FBI pricks to go fuck themselves if they should ever decide to check on my shit.

  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Wrong community. You should join !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ;)

    Edit:

    reinstalled edge to my debloated VM… Well that was a waste of time, the bit rate was a bit better but it was still 1080p… I tried extensions, changing flags, nope, Netflix just did not wanna stream at 4k… DESPITE ME FUCKING PAYING FOR IT… Ok, I thought, I have one last option, Netflix has an official windows app, except it’s only on the Microsoft store which just sat there for 5 minutes and then threw an error “unable to apply update” when trying to install the app…

    Sounds less like a Microaoft/Windows rooted issue but rather your debloating process fucked with the fragile internals of Windows.
    It’s the same as fucking with the permissions on /sbin (don’t have a better example) and being surprised why you can’t access binaries in there anymore.

  • neatchee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    13 days ago

    Big corps like Netflix only care about supporting the 90% of users to who operate in a bog-standard configuration. They really couldn’t care less about supporting things like reverse engineered AirPlay, debloated Windows, Linux running on a Mac, or anything else that’s not damn near configured exactly as it was when it was first removed from the box.

    It is not worth the engineering investment to make it work. They would spend more money maintaining these features than they would earn from it.

    You can have whatever opinions you want about that reality, but that’s just how it is. Blame capitalism.

    • Presi300@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      13 days ago

      “It’s just like that” isn’t good enough. Again, I’m paying more for 4k. There were no disclaimers that it only works on TVs or what I’d have to do to get it to work on my "unmodified* Mac… I expected to have issues on Linux but not being able to play 4k on my Mac is way too much for me…

      Welp, guess the 7 seas are a more welcoming environment for rapscallions like me then. (I just wanna get what I’m paying for)

      • neatchee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        13 days ago

        Go pirate. That’s what I do when shit doesn’t work.

        I just don’t also fool myself into thinking they will ever change their ways so long as it’s profitable 🤷

        I’m not saying you’re wrong. Nor am I telling you to accept the shitty quality stream as the best you can get. I’m just saying this is how the system is set up right now and it’s not a Netflix problem. It’s a capitalism problem.

  • WolfLink@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    11 days ago

    AIUI Netflix will limit stuff if it sees anything at all creative going on because they are afraid of you screen recording.

  • corroded@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    13 days ago

    I canceled Netflix several years ago after having used it as my primary source of media almost since they first started their streaming service.

    The problem I had is that the quality of their content decreased so dramatically that even though it worked fine from a technical perspective, there was nothing I wanted to watch. They used to have extensive back-catelogues of shows from all sorts of different national cable networks, tons of interesting foreign shows, documentaries, obscure indie films, etc.

    Slowly but surely this all disappeared. Networks stopped licensing content to Netflix. As soon as they realized that streaming was the way of the future, they wanted to capitalize on it with their own streaming services. In a way, Netflix was a victim of their own success.

    Now they’re essentially just a TV network of their own and not the aggregator of media that they used it me. The few decent originals that they have were just not justification enough for me to pay for a service I might use a few times a year.

    • Omega@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      13 days ago

      I’ve had it canceled until the next season of Sandman or the last season of Stranger Things. I don’t need to subscribe while I wait. I didn’t even subscribe for the couple of Christmas movies they have we normally watch.

      • corroded@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        13 days ago

        I definitely get that. The big thing for me is music, and I routinely buy physical and digital copies of albums to add to my collection. I don’t mind sending some money to help my favorite artists keep producing content that I enjoy. With video, though, it’s just so much harder. I’d be happy to pay $50 or more per month for what Netflix used to be, or even buy downloadable copies of a TV series that I like. That’s just not possible these days. I’d be subscribing to Netflix, Discovery, Paramount, Apple TV, probably a few more. It’s ridiculous. Forget buying and downloading TV shows; there’s no option for that at all. I’d rather just not watch TV or find an “alternate” means of getting the media I want.

  • themakara@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Part of the resolution issue is probably caused by Netflix silly requirements. You can use hardware that is perfectly capable of handling 4k@60 or even higher, in whatever codec they deliver. But if your hardware is not considered as supported, good bad. An argument can be made for ease of use and general consumer base, but these things shouldn’t punish everyone else for that.

      • themakara@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        I honestly don’t know. Could be they rated it that way.

        Just wanted to point out that Netflix in general is pretty iffy about fulfilling their promises when it comes to 4k.

  • Celestus@lemm.eeEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Sort of a tangent, but I’m curious what advantage Uxplay has over the built in macOS AirPlay server. I’m unfamiliar with it

  • irotsoma@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    4k thing may not be Netflix itself. There’s a ton of DRM that has to be working just right built into a lot of hardware and software. Many things can cause it to have issues and it’s designed to break if there is anything it considers abnormal. Problem is that it’s kinda, sorta new and hardware can’t be updated. Same issues happened with 1080p at the time. My PS3 HDMI port broke multiple times during warranty and then I gave up after it expired. Just the slight distortion caused by the defect made the TV and all the other devices decide it was being used to pirate content and so they refused to work. These days the devices are more stable and the media industry has stopped aggressively enforcing the DRM to be so aggressive. But they still are doing it with 4K. Any little bug in a driver, software, or hardware firmware and it falls back to 720p or 1080p if you’re lucky.