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If you can’t afford living wages for your staff so they’re not dependant on tips, your store shouldn’t be open.
Everyone working a job should be making a living wage. “Oh, but then the price of my McDonald’s cheeseburger will skyrocket!!” Fucking good. If it’s not economical to produce a product without abusing people, that product shouldn’t exist. Period. I will die on this hill.
Paying people a living wage would only increase the price by pennies. This is just another “conservative” taking point without any basis in reality.
What’s stopping McDonald’s from just saying that they need to increase prices by significantly more than that to accommodate the increased wages? Y’know, with lies? It happened with groceries, so I can imagine them seeing this as a good excuse to try to squeeze some more profit out.
That already happened
Greed is a tragically reliable behavior to anticipate from a Corp.
“Oh, but then the price of my McDonald’s cheeseburger will skyrocket!!” Fucking good
I don’t know why people keep repeating this propaganda. Plenty of countries pay actual wages to their employees, don’t have tipping, and the prices are still fucking cheaper than America.
Apologies, I’m not trying to say that that argument is true or has any basis in reality, more so that the argument is completely irrelevant
regardless, it doesn’t matter if people are already forced to tip. it just means you’re already paying more but it’s just not included in the sticker price
Hamburgling used to be a decent profession. Now with such cheap burgers all those skilled workers are left out.
They did away with most of their staff and their prices went up over 100% over the last 5 years or so anyway. It’s corporate greed all the way down.
There’s no hill to assault, I don’t think anybody except the abusers disagree with you.
You’d be surprised. In this specific example, many people believe such jobs are meant only for high schoolers and anyone else in that job is too stupid or lazy to do better and therefore don’t deserve better.
I wonder how many damn products we use on a daily basis that have been produced with some level of abuse along the production chain. Probably easier to count the ones without abuse, eh.
I agree completely, but I still stand by my original point.
Oh for sure. My comment wasn’t meant to undermine your point. Ideally there would be no abuse whatsoever, that should be the minimum baseline. I stand by your point with you, friend.
I’m not even paying the bill at that point.
Nice precedent for corruption
ITT.
I love the scene where a group of sociopathic murders are all shocked at how scummy someone has to be to deprive a waitress of her wages, as if it’s justified because the owner doesn’t pay her either.
It is absolutely justified. Businesses are able to pay employees, it’s just more profitable to move that burden onto customers.
Result? Customers pay more, and workers don’t have a stable income. The only winning party is a business.
By tipping, you help the worker short-term, but aid in proliferating a system that makes it so much worse for them.
That’s why I love cultures where tipping isn’t just uncommon, but is flat out rejected, because workers are paid well and are proud of it.
This was at a self-service kiosk, too, right?
That means the tip goes to the customer, right?
/s
If any place said a 30% tip is so so, I’m not tipping.
If I saw this I would give them exactly what I think they’re worth. $0.01 and a bad online review.
If you said “$.02 (point oh two) and a bad online review” it would’ve had an extra layer and sounded cooler while rhyming.
Select “Custom” and type 0.00 without breaking eye contact. Be careful, though, that 0.00 can quickly turn into 8.88 if you’re not looking.
You really think it’s the owner and not some poor, underpaid schmuck manning the register?
Yeah, it’s definitely the owner’s fault. That doesn’t change the fact that the underpaid schmuck always tries to blame the customer for not leaving a tip.
The issue with tipping is an issue with capitalism.
It is capitalism that has ruined nice things. Imagine the first person who tipped someone because their service was good and it was a nice thing to do. Next other people started doing it as well, which makes the profession with tipping more favorable.
This leads to a higher supply of workers and lower demand and the market adjusts which means lower pay because “they will receive tips”.
Also it is easy to vilify the shop owners for doing something that the system encourages and even demands them. We don’t know how or in what ways the shop owners are suffering because of the system.
Also to acknowledge their suffering is not to say that their suffering is equal to the suffering of their workers but rather we need to identify that everybody suffers in capitalism (except the very rich/elites).
The way to fix this is to stop tipping altogether. This will hurt the workers for sure but their suffering is necessary in order for things to change, at least under the current system.
Or alternatively, we can try and abolish the system altogether.
Hey I know this is completely off-topic, but do you have thoughts on the moral implications of NATO?
I mean, tipping culture only seems to be a problem in the US. Countries in Europe and what have you are fine and they are still capitalist.
Sure tipping for things may not be applicable in eu. But here’s another example: imagine the first person who got a loan cuz they wanted to buy a house but didn’t have the money at the time.
The bank who lent the money did a nice thing. Other banks and people started doing the same. And because people had access to more money, the price of houses increased to match with it.
Despite the fact that those people don’t actually have that money and now it is a requirement. Nobody can afford to buy a house unless they go into debt. Again this is capitalism and the free market in action.
The reason tipping so “people can have livable wage” is not a thing in the EU is because the EU does have a livable minimum wage.
The concept of minimum wage is inherently anti-capitalistic. It is against the principles of free market.
So the answer isn’t simply “Abolish capitalism” the answer is actually “Capitalism but with logical rules and regulations”
Lol, what?
I am literally talking about how much suffering it would cause if we keep trying to “fix capitalism” with bandage after bandage and how each and everything would need fixing which will turn into something not capitalistic anyways.
I don’t want to be rude but people should have better reading comprehension and learn to read between the lines or just read i guess.
So the “easier” solution is to tear the entire thing down and make something new from scratch? Seems like it’d be far, far harder to do that
EU doesn’t say anything about livable minimum wages. That is up to each member country to decide for themselves.
Not even everyone in EU have an actual minimum wage.
Minimum wages is NOT why tipping isn’t customary in Europe.
Here’s the problem. You think you know what you’re talking about. But you don’t. It just sounds nice in your head and so you start to believe your own bullshit.
Your whole point is “you don’t know” without actually providing anything. I may be wrong but at least im saying something. Please try and at least say something, otherwise what’s the point of your comment? Gain upvotes/give down votes on lemmy?
And at least for me, I actually live in EU and many of my friends have worked and many acquaintances are still working as servers so at least my opinion has some worth.
Where are you from btw?
“There’s no way to prevent this” - Says the only country where this happens regularly.
It’s not a “Capitalism” problem. It’s a USA problem.
I’d say both. You guys just did a speed run.
Relevant post from earlier this month
Honestly if it starts at 30% then im 0% tipping and they can fuck right off.
Custom: 0% HAHAFUCKYOU
Be sure to make eye contact as you type in 0.00
Custom: -100%
Infinite money glitch
That’s an immediate $0.
I’ve actually seen 2 recent practices that I hate more than this. While this is frustrating, at least you can input a custom tip. I’ve also seen them where they show 3 different dollar amounts that don’t indicate percentage but doing the math, it’s definitely way over the usual 20%. Then there’s the one I hate the most which I keep seeing at places where you don’t usually tip. You go to pay with your card and the little transaction/card machine shows different tip amounts, the default of which is already set. If you don’t want to leave a tip, you have to figure out which button to push to do so. They’re all different and it can be very confusing. I even saw one where each option was labeled in correlation with a button on the screen, except that they didn’t match up. And what do you do then? Ask the person at the register how not to tip them?
I would.
[to cashier] “excuse me, ma’am, i can’t seem to find the button to not leave a tip. can you show me where it is?”
I enjoy quietly asking, “do these tips actually go to you?”
I’ve gotten a discreet “no” headshake more than a few times. Then you can feel justified taking however long you want to select zero.
I leave a Google review for places that have shitty tipping practices.
You bet I would.
Back when 15% was considered standard I liked tipping closer to 30%, but as a direct result of the push to try to make 15% seem low I no longer tip more than 15%.
All you are doing is punishing some poor server who has no control of the price. The owner who is actually fucking both you and the staff over is unaffected.
I’m punishing them by giving them what was until 10 years ago considered an excellent and standard tip?
Not to mention that servers are, as a general group, extremely opposed to dismantling the tip system as a whole. My complaint wasn’t about raised food prices, which the owner would be in control of - it was about raised tipping percentage expectations. I refuse to contribute to the steadily rising expectation of how much a tip should be, and regret my past contributions to that trend.
Rent has gone up a lot more than 15% in the past decade. The whole system is rotten and needs to be abolished, but all the servers i know are absolutely struggling right now and depend on getting a 20% tip on each table. How would you feel if half your paychecks were randomly 25% less? Stop going to restaurants that expect a tip by all means, but if you are going somewhere that expects it, you should tip.
15 is the percent of the tip, not the percent increase in tip income over the last decade. If the tip percentage stays constant, then the tip amount rises in direct proportion to the food cost. The fair comparison is rent increase vs. restaurant food price increase. The data I found indicates rent’s gone up at an average of 4% per year in the last decade, and that restaurant food prices have risen by a similar amount - anywhere from 3-7% depending on the industry.
Everyone is struggling. It is not unique to servers. And I do tip - just a reasonable 15%. If a server is struggling to get by on 15% tips, they should harass their boss and their senator, not their customers who are likely struggling as well.
Don’t pretend they have no control. They could band together and refuse to play by the restaurant’s rules. Things would change pretty quickly.
So could you and your coworkers, but restaurant owners are the sleazist, scummiest, and greediest business owners in your community guaranteed. A restaurant in my town had the entire staff fired and the restaurant closed for a month because the owner would rather miss out on a month of business than pay a fair wage.
My tipping follows the inverse of how much I am paying for the product. If the product is well priced and the service was good I have been known to tip 100% for excellent service. Now that everything is nearly double the cost of what it used to be I am more inclined to tip 50 cents to a dollar max.
They should be paying exceptionally well for what they are charging, but we know that isn’t the case. I don’t have unlimited wealth to spend either, fuck me for being poor and wanting some comfort “restaurant” food occasionally.
The food prices went up 20% so my logic is if I continue to tip the same % the waiters should still make more money. Increasing the food prices and also doubling the tip is just double dipping. My work isn’t paying me 20% more every year so I can’t be paying for everyone’s inflation.
Exactly, and the only thing they have is increasing the guilt factor. But they’re gonna learn when put up against a cliff and a little guilt trip I’m just gonna take the guilt.
“100€, keep the change.”
soso is the same sound as a word that means breasts in my mother tongue.
Could be worth it under the best of circumstances.
"How much will you tip?
“TITS!”
Beats just the tip.
