LOL I love this “anyone who disagrees with me is a literal nazi” nonsense.
did you really laugh out loud, or did you just type that, be honest.
I did just type it ☹️
that’s honestly a real disappointment, I was hoping someone so off the mark would at least be enjoying themselves.
Sorry to disappoint. It is funny in a morbid and depressing sort of way. Kinda like Trump.
must be nice to find it funny rather than be scared for your friends lives like the LGBT community is
Must be nice to exploit LGBTQ people to support literally any argument imaginable.
Have you both thought about talking why you disagree instead? If none of you bother to explain why you think the other is wrong this is just pointless
Honestly “lol” completely lost its original meaning years ago
LOL
The term “Nazi” has been overused so much, especially in US [identity] politics, that it’s losing (or has already lost) its meaning. When are we going to start calling elevator farts “genocide” and “nazism”? 🤷🏻♂️
If the outrage is based on the screenshot of the comment above, I’d say that this is a typical example of “Swiss neutrality” with a touch of “I don’t give a flying f*ck about US politics because I don’t live in the US.” I don’t see how that makes you a nazi??
I suspect I may be missing something here…
You missed the start of all this: https://lemmy.ml/post/24811284
Always nice to be linked back to Reddit and reminded that it is a terrible place.
Lmao that onyx guys comment is at -18
And protons reply:
I believe this is a false equivalence. Supporting a nominee for antitrust, is not the same as endorsing everything else Trump may or may not believe in or flirting with Nazism as you put it. It goes too far to draw that conclusion about Proton or myself.
They just dont get it
What the echo chamber of reddit doesnt have critical thinking? Well I never…
Looks like Lemmy is just as bad. I wish the mods would get in here and temp ban some folks who dont understand lemmyquite
Lemmy.world is the worst offender I have come across personally. Lemmy.ml is reddit like too, but it’s mostly okay for discussion and it hosts a lot of posts so I don’t really want to block it.
I’d recommend looking at the instance those folks are coming from. You may notice some similarity with those users.
The Suisse should return Andy to Taiwan and the ROC can ship his ass off to mainland China to enjoy life under a dictatorship.
Reddit…f that noise.
Sounds like the CEO of proton doesnt understand the basic privacy concerns for the US VPN market. He should really look that up someday-- theres money to be made in the Us market if he cared enough.
Americans just now finding out what has always been in place.
Vpn from Switzerland won’t save you - they will share our data if it comes to us needing access to it. And if proton refuses - it would have been shut down already like tiktok
Now to reply to the post itself, I think this sums it up:
Though the sad truth is that almost every single product or service we use are owned and run by people with similar opinions, it is literally the nature of the capitalist beast, it’s how it function, and why it will always decay in to fascism - because those with the power and the money (not just those at the very very top, but several levels bellow them, too, like this guy) will always and forever care solely about maintaining it and creating more for themselves, that’s it. And to do that, they have to side with whichever dictator-du-jour benefits them the most.
Remember - there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and this is only one of the reasons why.
To an extent probably. But I use https://mullvad.net/ as my vpn, and they seem pretty great.
I saw mullvad ads on the trams in my city yesterday, really nice to see something good like it being advertised like that.
Probably where I’ll go next, I have until the end of February and then my business will be elsewhere.
Since I set up some family at the same time, I’ll be doing it for a few accounts.
The hypocrisy of many calling Trump a Nazi is mind boggling.
As far as I can tell Trump can only be deemed a Nazi by association - he’s not been going around spouting stuff about people’s races making them superior or inferior to others like an ethno-Fascist and instead he’s been mostly using traditional Fascist dog whistles (I.e. about the superiority of the Nation), but since he has indeed cultivated the support of neo-nazis and other ethno-Fascists in the US, he’s associating with Nazis.
The hypocrisy comes because the most Nazi ideology around right now is Zionism - they’re ethno-Fascists, claiming to represent a race, going on and on about the superiority of their race (calling it “the chose people”) whilst being overtly racist about Arabs in general and even more so Palestinians who they call “human animals”, i.e. subhumans whis is literally untermenschen - and, even more extreme, they’re mass murdering them right now by the hundreds of thousands.
Anybody who here and now calls Trump a Nazi due to his association with ethno-Fascists but has previously been defending Biden, Harris and most of the Democrat party as not being Nazis all the while they were actively supporting with weapons the present day Nazis who were actively engaged in a genocide along racial lines, is a hypocrite.
Ditto anybody going around criticizing people who chose to neither vote Democrat nor Republican: it is absolutely understandable that when people only have the choice between two sets of Nazis, many chose “neither”. After all, if one is a Nazi by supporting Nazis, then the Republicans supporting of Nazis makes them Nazis and giving support to the Nazis-Republicans (for example by voting for them) makes one a Nazi and exactly in the same way the Democrats supporting the present day Nazis makes them Nazis, so supporting Nazi-Democrats makes one a Nazi - anybody who does indeed believe people can become “Nazi by association” land does not want to be a Nazi, would refuse to vote for either Nazi-by-association party.
I truly respect those with the genuine principles and ideological consistency of calling both main American parties Nazis (as I said, if one thinks associated with Nazi = Nazi, then logically they are both Nazis) or at least Nazi-supporting, because they are.
It’s only the political tribalists for whom one group of Nazi-supporters are Nazis but the other group of Nazi-supporters are not Nazis because the former is “them” and the other is “us” who are despicable hypocrites.
As far as I can tell Trump can only be deemed a Nazi by association - he’s not been going around spouting stuff about people’s races making them superior or inferior to others like an ethno-Fascist
Trump says immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country” https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141
If 11 people are sitting at a table with a known Nazi, chatting, enjoying themselves and having a great time, you have a table with 12 nazis.
Trump is a fascist bro
My dude. Dude. People are in here complaining about a fascist and all you have to contribute is "um, actually"ing them for using the name of the wrong fascist subtype? I think you’ve lost the plot, my dude.
the comments in that thread is such a reddit moment
Americans are not flirting with Nazism. They dated it, married it and had many children with it.
Why would anyone believe the Democrats are not also Nazis? They just spearheaded a live-streamed genocide, and bypassed a law banning sending arms to Nazis so that they could send them billions in arms.
Both parties are Nazis. Both must be stopped. Stop playing this stupid game where they make you fight over which Nazi to follow.
Calling Trump a Nazi is the same as calling an average Lemmy user a communist. Or calling Kamala a communist.
Indeed, it’s a dumb antagonizing
You’re just completely unbounded by reality huh?
Provide the proof that Trump is a nazi
^ classic sealioning
No it is not :( When you make a wild statement you have to prove it. You cannot just say random things then call a troll anyone that tries to understand
I dont have to prove shit to you and you aren’t trying to understand. If you wanted to understand that trump is a fascist or Kamala isn’t any any way a communist, you can find PILES of jourlism and academic works discussing those topics - you just have to leave the right-wing news media bubble.
Your entitlement to my time and this space as a place where you can demand proof for basic political concepts is the absolute definition of sealioning.
Are you high?
When did I say anything about Kamala being a communist? You’re the one stating facts you cannot prove, I never stated such thing (since it’s obviously false).
Your biased opinion is not a “basic politcal concept”. And I doubt there is any reliable journal that would use those simplistic antagonizing views.
What makes you think I would look at right wing news media shit? I wouldn’t be here lol. You need to understand that not agreeing with you is different than being fascist and that being fascist is different than being nazi, maybe you should learn about basic political concepts.
Anyway, asking for source for a random claim is not entitlement but legitimate behavior and arguing against it is arguing in favour of disinformation.
huh
Calling a fascist a fascist is actually not the same thing as calling a fascist a communist. Trump and Kamala can both go to the Hague.
Tangential: shouldn’t it be “Naziism”? Like, in “Nazi” the “i” belongs to “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei”, or the “Natio—” part. But shouldn’t there be another “i” that goes with the “ism” suffix, so “Naziism”? Am I thinking about it in the wrong way?
As some who has been out literal in the woods, can someone give me more context?
Protons ceo is publicly promoting trump and so are public proton accounts
That’s a lie. He never promoted Trump.
I mean, you’re kinda splitting hairs no? He certainly promoted the Republican party, of which Trump leads.
No, I don’t think so at all.
This is also a lie. He did not promote the Republican Party. Words mean something, quit making shit up.
Did you read his actual comments? He literally made propagandistic claims in support of Republicans and in opposition to Democrats. Or do you agree with him that Republicans are “for the little guy”? Its complete nonsense made up to promote the Republican party.
How is saying that republicans are the right choice for their policies and democrats are not, not promoting republicans?
Not what he said.
His words about the Gail Slater nomination specifically were.
Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
I disagree with Yen here, but characterizing that statement as “republicans are the right choice for their policies and democrats are not,” seems like a real stretch.
tl:dr Proton CEO came out on Twitter and praised Trump’s selection for FTC leader. Which is fine, in my opinion, even though I disagree with it. What’s not so fine is that he followed that up with basically “dems are bought and conservatives are more likely to fight for consumer privacy”, which is abundantly clearly to anyone who pays attention to US politics, objectively incorrect.
Yup, that he is anything but a downgrade from Lina khan for consumer protection in the FTC is super wrong.
He, Andrew Ferguson
He has stated intentions to ease his predecessor’s scrutiny of business mergers and acquisitions, while continuing critical oversight of big tech platforms.
Expect continued increased in costs if goods.
The biggest problem to me was the official Proton reddit account making an official statement agreeing with Andy. Andy blamed this on a “miscommunication” and it has since been deleted, but probably only because of the backlash they were receiving.
The biggest problem to me is the CEO of a company whose entire focus is on privacy and privacy advocacy being so incredibly ignorant of US politics as it pertains to privacy.
He actually didn’t touch privacy, he touched antitrust and monopolies. The whole benefit to privacy is indirect by means of a level field.
He believes that republicans will do better than dems in terms of fighting big tech monopolies.
You’re right, he did, but my point stands regardless.
I thought the whole point stood on “company whose main point is privacy”. In this case, his views on antitrust may be naive, but it’s quite easy to see how what he thinks might happen with antitrust/big tech is indirectly benefiting the privacy of users (worldwide). So doesn’t it fit directly with the opinion of a CEO of a company whose main point is privacy? Ultimately proton didn’t change product because of this trump decision, didn’t change internal policies, terms, privacy policy, nothing.
Holy shit he’s still arguing with people about this today?
He’s well on his way to reaching Muskian levels of failure to shut the hell up.
I’d say he’s already a foot over the line.
He’s backally saying, “We Americans don’t get it. He did nothing wrong because both sides are the same.”
Rather than remorse, he’s doubled down.
Totally in good faith. A post from last year? Yea, suck my dick andy. Deleting my account asap.
