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  • The issue is that no Ubuntu is not “the Windows”.

    First of all this statement makes no sense. You could say “the Samsung of the Android world” as Samsung Android is a Distribution that looks nice and many people think it is nice to use (leaving out that it is the most spyware-riddled software on locked devices with horrible customer treatment)

    Windows is just one OS.

    Ubuntu is not easy anymore. Distro upgrades are a mess and break. I had 12 laptops, all had the same 3 issues and updates took forever.

    Ubuntu requires a sudo account for them to even work, a nonsudoer gets an update message but clicking it does nothing.

    They have their own strange icons, which look worse than GNOMEs. They have their own strange store instead of using and improving GNOME Software.

    Snaps are not cross platform, while Flatpak exists and is cross platform. Ubuntu doesnt even have uptodate flatpak and dependencies in their repos so the Flatpak project maintains like 6 PPAs just to run them on Ubuntu.

    They only ship KDE on the LTS variant, which means by now it is very outdated. KDE is the most windows-like desktop, and also has the most features, by far. I tried GNOME and made a writeup on Fedora discuss.

    They bloat (at least) their (LTS) variants with tons of deb packages.

    Snaps installed by other users with sudo cannot be opened by other users. You need to install them per-user, no other option possible.

    Flatpak requires wheel/sudo too, I need to make a Fedora Change request to fix that, my previous one got rejected…

    They dont integrate timeshift or other backup systems. Linux Mint and OpenSUSE are better here. Fedora Atomic Desktops too, while traditional Fedora not.

    Their design sucks in comparison to Manjaro if you ask me. Most personal point of this list.




  • Yes I would love to have mail notifications etc for security updates.

    Currently setting up a server, CentOS installer didnt boot so my lazy ass just rebased to securecore (Fedora IoT -> uBlue uCore -> secureblue) which is very nice but rolling.

    With LUKS encryption, which I want and need, this is problematic, as I need to manually type the password afaik. TPM unlock didnt work even though I have a Nitrokey with a TPM integrated afaik.





  • You can use dnf on OpenSuse, and it actually uses the correct /etc/dnf.repos.d !

    zyppers UI is horrible, no idea at what internet speed those animations make sense, not on an even 2,4GHz wifi.

    I used QGis as a Fedora Distrobox didnt install the language package, because it installs only the one from the OS. on Tumbleweed all languages were always installed, but it had some issue where no plugins worked or something.

    Same with RStudio, which works creat with iucar/cran COPR and the R-CoprManager app that makes it use dnf underneath.

    Rstudio should absolutely install them as libs though, into /var/lib. Then the Flatpak could be made working too I guess.


  • The thing is package management, resettability, rebasing/redeploying with a config file, and avoiding config file creep.

    I broke 10 distros before, and of course I also learned, but I simply didnt break Fedora Atomic Desktops in 2 years or so.

    But I layer about 20 packages, which is not a really nice process on Atomic, while it works for sure.






  • I would say Tumblewees is better than traditional Fedora.

    But the lack of desktops, variants, adoption, as well as the lack of being able to reset a system, makes it less stable than Fedora Atomic Desktops.

    Resetting is huge. You can revert to a bit-by-bit copy of the current upstream.

    It is not complete at all, but already works as a daily driver. uBlue deals with almost all the edges that are left.


  • Fedora is pretty good there, but I wouldnt use the DNF variants.

    The atomic variants though totally rock. Atomic Desktops, IoT, etc.

    The atomic model deals with all the troubles you would have with so new packages.

    OpenSUSE slowroll would be a better middle-ground, but I have had strange broken packages and they dont have a useful atomic model, as it is not image-based.