we are just bald monkeys, stop pretending otherwise
go fuck a banana!
I make my room filthy every day. Why doesn’t my mom clean it up for me? She certainly could. Does she want me to live in squalor? Perhaps she MAKES the mess!
IDK, maybe mom doesn’t exist.
So anything bad that ever happens to you is your own fault?
Do you just walk around through life assuming cancer patients did something awful to deserve their disease? Cause that’s the only way this analogy makes any sense…
Everyone dies saban. Are you saying that if everyone doesn’t die peacefully in their sleep, and unless no one ever gets bruised or cut or hurt or harmed in any way, it means there is no god?
Everyone dies saban.
sabin FTFY.
But true statement based on empirical evidence.there is no god
Also true statement based on empirical evidence.
Why can you understand one, but not the other?Empiricism, as an epistemological view, argues that knowledge is based on experience and that it is tentative and probabilistic, subject to revision and falsification.
Metaphysics, on the other hand, traditionally explores mind-independent features of the world, including the nature of existence, the features all entities have in common, and their division into categories of being.
It’s so hard to believe in anything anymore. I mean, it’s like, religion, you really can’t take it seriously, because it seems so mythological, it seems so arbitrary…but, on the other hand, science is just pure empiricism, and by virtue of its method, it excludes metaphysics. I guess I wouldn’t believe in anything anymore if it weren’t for my lucky astrology mood watch. Steve Martin
That just to try and get you into a better headspace? Levity, anyone?
Also from Wikipedia on metaphysics:
Due to the abstract nature of its topic, metaphysics has received criticisms questioning the reliability of its methods and the meaningfulness of its theories.
The problem is that metaphysics isn’t even meaningful.
You obviously can’t say the same for science. Because science is the reason we can write together.
Metaphysics boils down to Descartes: “I think therefore I am”, and that’s it, it never got any further!!And what’s the point of quoting a joke?
Metaphysics addresses “why”. Like, “why are we doing science anyway?”
Can’t answer that with the scientific method.
The why question is a nonsense question. For science it’s obvious, because it improves our lives.
But if you are thinking along the lines of why do we exist, or why does the universe exist, those are questions that don’t have a rational answer.
The questions that may have answers are based on the how not the why.
Now you’re just trying to pivot without having admitted that your analogy only makes sense if you assume everyone who gets cancer must have done something to deserve getting it.
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No one claims your mom is omnipotent and omnipresent you eggplant. And if they did, you’d think nothing of such a ridiculous claim. Which is what a rational person would do.
I understand you think I’m a member of the nightshade family. Cool.
I’ll take Pascal’s wager and believe you’re an eggplant hooked up to a computer, just promise me a good time when I die.
Does your mom…
Put eye parasites that blind children in your room?
Force you to eat and breathe through the same tube?
Give you horrible cancers?
Put drugs in your room and then get mad when you use them?
Tell you to love her unconditionally after doing all of these things?
“He gave us free will” aka he doesn’t want to.
Yeah I’m not religious but this is it. Christians believe free will is “more good” than the bad things it leads to are bad.
The problem for Christianity is that it doesn’t fit with how God is presented. He intervenes in things from time to time. Destroyed civilization with a flood because he didn’t like what people were doing with free will.
You might be able to take a Deist stance and make it work. However, then you’re implicitly saying there’s no evidence for God, and are one step out from agnostic atheism. You could say God changed his mind and saw the flood as a bad idea, but fundamentalists are never going to go for that one.
For that matter, the free will explanation isn’t even universal among Christians.
People have free will, because that is the greatest good, but not freedom of consequences (even from god) when they behave bad with that free will. Even though they behave bad, if bad is an objective scale, their bad bahvior was still less bad than having no free will. On this scale, god not punishing them for their bad behavior is more bad than gods punishment. So, because he always has to let the most good thing happen he both has to allow free will and people to do bad and also punish people for doing bad even though he knows they will be bad and he could prevent it. Again I think it’s bs, and there’s a lot of bad logic in Christianity, but that’s their subjective stance (usually but, like you said, not a monolith). It “works” because good and bad isn’t something you can logic out very wrll since it’s highly subjective.
If you make a child, you are responsible for it. Should parents drop children in a forest to be at the mercy of nature?
I don’t know what you’re trying to argue here. Do you want my opinion? The opinion of Christians? The opinion of people who view nature to be god?
In my opinion, no. Obviously not. But I also am not a Christian.
Oh well, you are neurotypical likely, you would not get it.
As someone who is neurodivergent: what a weird fucking non-sequitur-cum-ad-hominem. Fuck you for using “neurotypical” as an insult, like you are somehow better than others because you’re so special. You make us look bad. At least your username is accurate.
The god the Abrahamists have chosen to worship is a weather and war god. So he is a vengeful dick.
When the Israelites were still polytheistic they worshipped, besides this war god, a sun god and a god of fertility in the Pantheon. Yet they’ve chosen to solely worship the war god. Says a lot about them.
E. You deserved it
I don’t know. At this point I’m leaning toward C.
Me too, but only because I very strongly lean toward “god was created by man” rather than the other way around.
Really if you believe that God created the universe, then C logically follows.
But if we were created in the image of God, then B is very likely, too. Just look at what we do to characters that we create in The Sims.
Basically, the bibble confirms it’s C.
Old Testament God is super violent and vengeful and definitely C but it doesn’t jive with New Testament God so the faithful have to either ignore that fact or twist themselves into logic pretzels with stuff that basically amounts to ‘Bible Code’ to try and make it make sense.
Amazing how much death and destruction have come out of arguing over who has the best Invisible Friend.
nO bUT ThEyRE jUSt LyInG iTs aLWAyS aCtUaLlY aBoUT GreEd
Yes, we know, but why would they think that’s better?
Think about the following:
In the medieval ages, people were popping out 5-15 children on average. Child mortality was extremely high, with roughly 80% of children dying before they were 5 y/o.
Now, what should god do (if they existed)? Let the children life and cause overpopulation, which leads to famine and disaster, or kill a lot of children? There’s literally no solution.
That was until contraceptives were found. And interestingly, contraceptives exist at roughly the same time that antibiotics exist, thus preventing both high child-mortality and overpopulation.
Funny ideas but completely wrong. Contraceptives existed throughout the human history. And antibiotics were discovered a bit later than Haber dealt with overpopulation problem.
Yeah bro, you make a sheep intestine condom and get back to us on the efficacy
A: He can’t.
Dude forgot to add himself as admin.
this user does not have sudo access
this incident will be reported.
click me
He’s up there raging because his own system hit him with the ol “new password can’t be the same as the old password”
there is a fucked up fifth answer that works for theists, E. terrible things don’t exist
F. He’s testing us
F is just B with rose tinted glasses.
That could be worded as “things that seem terrible to us, actually aren’t, our understanding is just limited” or something along those lines, to make it a somewhat valid sounding argument. Obviously though that would still make any god shitty for giving us the ability to perceive the suffering, so it’s basically “god is evil” end result as well
Its clearly because clearly god has realized the best thing ever is isekai so he made earth and made us all isekai MCs. The terrible things that happen just give sus unique back stories when we get isekai’d so we all get to be unique MCs. /s
According to Isiah 45:7 it’s C.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things”
dualism
That’s just seems shitty
Cool - let’s worship that!
He caused it/allowed it to happen because he wants to test YOUR faith and make sure you’re cool with needless pain and suffering so long as it means you get to go to heaven/avoid an eternity of torture.
A: then he isn’t god.
B: then he isn’t good.
C: then he is evil.
D: the truth.
If you want to short circuit a certain type of theist
E: He’s actually just a small g god who died when we stopped sacrificing bulls to him
In Buddhism, the concept of God as a powerful creator is not central. The question of “why terrible things happen” is addressed through the teachings of karma and interdependence. Terrible things occur due to the collective actions aka karma of beings, influenced by ignorance, attachment, and aversion, rather than a deliberate act of a deity. Thus, from a Buddhist perspective, the most aligned answer would be that terrible things happen because of the causes and conditions created by sentient beings themselves, rather than any of the options listed.
