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All of those things are only problematic in excess, and are mostly excessive because of capitalism. Theres nothing immoral about sex or drugs.
There is definitely something immoral about open air drug markets, junkies lying in the streets, glorification of sex workers and prostitution, and blaming it on “capitalism” is an easy way to not accept responsibility for your societal shortcomings.
Someone that fucked Elon should really keep ideas about morality out of their fucking mouth
Elon doesn’t fuck, his dick is a bent twig. He has them fucked by mail order.
There was just a case where a woman gave birth to a baby in the woods, left it there and left for a vacation. If it weren’t for the family dog desperately trying to save the baby and getting noticed by a stranger, nobody would have ever known as even the rest of the family was defensive of the woman.
This shows morality is not only not an exclusively trait but not even an exclusively human trait.
I am not sure that I agree that the dog’s behavior necessarily demonstrates “morality.” You might be anthropomorphizing a bit. I am not a biologist or anything, so I could be way off base… But is it not possible that the dog was acting on instincts to protect newborn offspring? Similar to when animals “adopt” babies from other species as their own?
Morality implies that the dog did a thing because it’s “the right thing to do,” when in reality, it might have just been a self-preservation instinct kicking in. Dog sees newborn that’s clearly the offspring of the being that takes care of it, dog tries to preserve that newborn’s life in order to keep the gravy train going.
Just my (again, non-expert) thoughts.
You can remove the argument from morality safely from your answer just by stating the dog acted upon instinct, based off the notion dogs are pack animals, that have a closely knit symbiotic relatioship with human, which can be used to in favour of the dog finding a newborn activated the instinct of preserving their pack.
The way you approached the subject can be easily side tracked through arguing you are atributting self interest to the animals actions, as in, it keeps the newborn alive, thus, their own preservation is assured.
If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.
Side note: who discards a newborn in such calous way? How unbalanced is the person?
If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.
That’s not necessarily true. No more human offspring means no more symbiotic relationship.
No offspring, closer symbiotic relationship, with more resources available.
Maybe… We’re probably overthinking it and it’s just a “protect baby” instinct.
Zealots judging by the news coming out of america do not care about such trivial details as “facts”, “medical science” and “behavioral science”. It is unnecessary for them to take that into consideration.
Do you have source?
If fear of divine retribution is your only reason for being a good person, then you are not a good person.
Having a god reign over some heads is a useful tool against those who don’t share the same values, but fear the existence of a higher power.
As always, it’s about lacking control and the frustration that comes with.
The same god who allows rape and murder as long as you believe in him
The entire argument is pretty stupid…
Do you believe in god? Yes
Does rape and murder happen? Yes
Can you rape and murder if you tried? Yes
So what does your god add to the situation? Is the only reason you don’t do it out of fear? Yes/No?
Also do you really obey the laws of your god? Yes
So you don’t ever wear both linnen and wool? Uh what?
And are you really sure you never sat where a menstruating women has been sitting?? Wait what?
How many different seeds are in your garden? ??
Our society killed God and replaced with Reason. For all the things this improved, it created another set of problems nearly everyone in the West is unaware of. Check out Voltaire’s Bastards.
I think zealot answered that. It seems that people who can’t manage themselves and their worst impulse want to manage others.
Grimes and musk believe the AI is God. So there’s a good chance context is missing here on purpose because she’s aware enough to not go full crazy.
Bring back God = build the AI.
they don’t believe in god, so there’s no belief in AI.
let me sum it up for you in a few words imagine they are the thoughts of our oppressors.
I am a god.
The archetypes, best, worst and middling, are those parts of ourselves, so I can kind of see that. I’m fairly sure that’s not what they mean by it, but I could be wrong. People can agree on basic premise and have wildly varying ideas of the implications, such as regular people who hi to church, temple and mosque and basically try to be decent to everyone, and those who wield religion like a cudgel.
Eta, just saying I’m fairly sure i don’t agree their implications, maybe not the actual premise. I realize it was murky.
TBF, an overgrown autocorrect is more real to me than god, and in my opinion it’s the more sane option to worship.
Saying “Without laws I wouldn’t do right from wrong” is also just as much a sociopathic self report imo. Same with “money” and “The State”, i’m an atheist just like them except I go one or two gods further.
The way i understood it was that it’s a difference in organization of society. Some people can find meaning themselves, without needing somebody else to tell them what to do. Some people just need to be told what to do.
Some people find their meaning in telling others what to do.
Religion provided people with a sense of community. Without it, they’ve been finding community on the internet which has resulted in people believing in all kinds of strange things. Significantly stranger than there being a metaphysical consciousness in the universe.
Religion, while not perfect, often tries to encourage people to be better. Of course religion can be corrupted by politics at times, and we’re certainly in one of those times. But the general concept of people coming together and encouraging each other to be better isn’t a bad thing.
Internet groups are worse than religion, many of them are devoted towards hating an enemy and unlike religion, make no effort to encourage people to better themselves. Religion can often fail at this goal, but most internet groups make no attempt to be better than a failed religion. Case in point: atheistmemes@lemmy.world
Grace for one, not the other. I see.
Switch religion for internet groups in your comment and you’ll be baffled at your hypocrisy.
“Your religion isn’t the same as morality.” - Britta Perry
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How odd… You’re not the first person who’s told me that Catbox links aren’t working either, I wonder what’s up with that.
Anyways, I’ve changed the link so hopefully it’ll load now.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Emphasis my own. Yes there is a self evident morality, you don’t need God to tell you what’s right and wrong.
To be fair, they’re also saying that it’s self-evident that our rights are given to us by a “creator”. Which isn’t true.
Your mama didn’t give you rights?
Shame and peer pressure are outsourcing ethics and never independently developing character. The moment one can get away with anything without getting caught, the lack of real ethics becomes apparent. No one but an absolute fool believes in someone they have never seen or spoken too as a real form of accountability. There is always a measure of cognitive dissonance that arises from this failure of objective thinking.
Shame cannot produce a positive outcome. It only results in negativity. Religion is only a form of austere social networking that relies on isolation for reinforcement. None of this produces real ethics. It only produces the ethics required to participate in an isolated social network. The outsourcing of ethics and isolation of the social network are why such criminal and unethical behavior emerges from within these primitive tribal structures. The structures are built upon dogma and tribalism which makes them easy to manipulate from within the tribe but impossible from the outside. There is no foundation of logic or reason, so opposing any such person with logic and reason is pointless and will only cause the opposing person to become labelled as “others” and not part of the trusted tribe.
The most disgusting and primitive human trait is dogma because dogma is irrational, it is ruthless, it is authoritarian, it is deadly, it is the inner primate animal pulling sentience back into the depths of instinct and animal nature.
