I am shocked by this - the quote in below is very concerning:
“However, in 2024, the situation changed: balenaEtcher started sharing the file name of the image and the model of the USB stick with the Balena company and possibly with third parties.”
Can’t see myself using this software anymore…
Thats a shame, it was one of the few disk imagers that “just worked”
dd♬ Hello
ddmy old friend
I’ve comesudowith you again ♬
0·1 month agoHello cat or cp or pv… Or anything else that works with files
Huh this is news to me. Wonder why dd has been the defacto standard in guides everywhere for the past 15-20+ years
… and the sign said the bytes of the distro are written to the SD card …. if they’re un-tar’d …
Thank you for pointing it out.
i still don’t understand why anyone would use etcher. it’s an electron wrapper over
dd. it’s 80MB where rufus is 1.5. when it appeared there were already other programs that did its job better.I used it because that’s what the instructions on the Linux Mint website for creating a bootable USB stick from Windows say to do.
I have no clue what “electron wrapper”, “dd”, or “rufus” are. I’m trying to learn more, but can’t learn it all in one day.
weird that the installation guide is hosted on a separate website that hasn’t been updated in eight years. that’s irresponsible of them. anyway rufus is a better version of etcher that you can download for windows.
I’ve typically used Etcher when I have to write an ISO on Windows
use rufus.
I like clicking buttons that have a text on them saying what they do instead of trying to memorize a gajillion terminal commands and flags where I have to enter more commands and flags to see what they do.
use rufus.
plus it’s some some sanity checks like not showing you your system drives. Or warning you when the drive you are about to nuke is suspiciously large and maybe not the usb drive you actually want to use.
This is basically the main feature. Stopping you from fatfingering the wrong drive
On Windows, Rufus is just as easy to use tho. And on Linux, there is Gnome Disks.
Rufus seems to be just for Windows and dd does not have a gui
that’s correct. on windows, rufus is a better tool, and on linux or mac it’s just a built-in command with a manual packed in.
also, ubuntu ships with startup image creator, and gnome disks ships as a flatpak, if those are more your speed.
Thanks for the info, I’m on linux mint and after checking these out it isn’t immediately apparent from their websites whether or how I could install them. Still think etcher occupies a niche that alternatives don’t fill, its website directs you straight to installing it, it’s cross platform, and using it is very easy, so it’s something that could reasonably be linked to in various install tutorials.
I used it less than a week ago for a Mint install, worked fine.
If you actually read the post, you would have known, it does work, but there are some privacy concerns with it:
“However, in 2024, the situation changed: balenaEtcher started sharing the file name of the image and the model of the USB stick with the Balena company and possibly with third parties.”
I seriously DGAF who knows which Mint edition I installed or the brand of flash drive I used.
Wow, I was not aware of that. I really liked balena. Thankfully, I haven’t been using it since installing Mint.
Sudo dd if=tails.iso of=/dev/sdb
for Windows?
Rufus.
And who cares if there’s spyware on windows, you’re already using windows so there is, it’s windows. At that point you may as well just use etcher, but I’d use Rufus anyway because let’s be real it’s just better. The only reason not to use Rufus is because it’s windows exclusive, but if you’re using windows that probably doesn’t bother you, so…
Install WSL
Oh, sorry. I didn’t realize you were on Windows. That’s a Linux command. I haven’t used Windows very much since about 2018, so I don’t even consider Windows anymore unless it’s brought up.
Install wsl lol.
In my early days of Linux, I royally fucked up a USB thumb drive (back when they were expensive) using
ddand as a result do not trust myself with it.I would use Hannah Montana Linux if it was the only GUI option to burn a USB ISO.
Weird. I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve used that command. But it’s probably been several thousand. And I’ve never screwed up a flash drive that way.
There has been once or twice where I’ve pulled the flash drive out too quickly after it finished writing and it actually hadn’t finished writing and had to redo it, but other than that, I’ve not actually screwed up any drives beyond repair or anything.
bash: Sudo: command not found
Ah, a
doasuser, I see!Or working on a case sensitive system
Lol, nice one
Sudontplease :P
I remember a while back, years before this surfaced, there was a thread on /g/ with a group photo of Balena’s employees and a caption like “why does it take so many people to develop an electron wrapper around dd”. Obviously it was low effort engagement bait (balena does much more than etcher), but the comments were full of people calling the company a glowie honeypot and the like. Moral of the story: Trust the schizos, they sense spyware form lightyears away.
Here’s a wildcard people might not know about: Raspberry Pi Imager
I use it because it’s faster than Etcher and it also has a bunch of quick links to download popular images (mainly for RPI and other arm-based SBCs) in one click which is handy if you use those regularly.
Not using Ventoy in 2025?
Ventoy uses several blobs without any instructions of compiling them yourself?
Yet another reason for people to run a default prompt (deny until prompt answer) firewall.
A what?
An interactive firewall.
One that blocks programs from accessing the internet and prompts the first time they try until you click a button that says allow or you choose the alternative which is deny. A program like this you’d have no reason to give it internet access, it’s something whose operations should be entirely local.
Good question. I will attempt to clarify:
OP is saying that individual should run firewalls on their machines, that block port activity by default, and only allow traffic upon an approved request by the administrator account.
balenaEtcher never worked for me. No image that I flashed has been usable to boot. The RPi imager has been working flawlessly
have they tried also tracking for errors, cause it fucks up every second image unlike rufus
Truth. Etcher is garbage. Rufus is king.
Just use
dd. It’s not that hard. You pass it 2 arguments:if=the file you want to flash, andof=the destination. If you’re feeling fancy, pass in somestatus=progress. And don’t forget to prepend it withsudo. That’s it.I just tried this the other day and was unable to boot from the USB. any chance you could shed some light on what i might have screwed up?
The command was:
dd if=fedora.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M status=progressThe USB stick was not mounted and the fedora image was verified. The command completed successfully but I couldn’t boot from it. When I used fedora writer to burn the same image to the same USB stick it booted no problem.
Edit: spelling
Don’t use Fedora myself, but it may not be a hybrid ISO that becomes bootable when written… so I looked and you are missing a flag
dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct
From https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/
Ah! Thank you! I knew it was something I screwed up!
You didn’t screw up, you beautifully proved why the CLI is never a simple solution.
This is why people trying to pass this as a primary option baffle me a bit. dd is not that bad in isolation, but all of these little commands add up.
If we want Linux to be mainstream, we need to accept that most users aren’t going to be linux enthusiasts. They just want a PC that works normally.
I don’t think
oflags=directhas any influence on the result. Apparently that’s about disabling the page cache in the kernel, which can avoid a situation in which the system slows down due to buildup yet-to-write pages.Perhaps not. But the flag allows for direct I/O for data, bypassing buffers which can be overrun with certain size blocks, potentially causing dirty buffer depending on the machine being used. My understanding is that it’s “more reliable” for writing (especially on shitty USB Flash drives) and getting the exact ISO properly written.
But it could be useless all the same - I’m just pointing out that OPs command is not the one recommended by Fedora when writing their ISO. Also OP is less likely to pull the drive before buffers have flushed this way.
Oh yeah that’s where I was getting at, but I didn’t have time to write that out earlier. I agree that OP probably pulled out the usb stick before buffers were flushed. I imagine that direct I/O would mitigate this problem a lot because presumably whatever buffers still exist (there would some hardware buffers and I think Linux kernel I/O buffers) will be minimal compared to the potentially large amount of dirty pages one might accumulate using normal cached writes. So I imagine those buffers would be empty very shortly (less than one second maybe?) after dd finishes, whereas I’ve seen regular dd finish tens of seconds before my usb stick stopped blinking it’s LED. Still if you wait for that long the result will be the same.
Did you make sure that the
ofis correct?lsblkto make sure.If your sure it wrote to the right drive i would make sure that you have a good download. Did you run your checksums?
I think fedora works with secureboot but you might want to disable it just to see if that is the issue. I believe you can reenable it after install.
Make sure to go into the bios and boot from external drive/usb.
Out of 15 years of using
ddi have never had a problem.I did verify with
lsblk, with a listing before and after plugging in the stick to be absolutely sure.I also did verify the checksum of the ISO.
I’ll double check SecureBoot, but as I mentioned, the same ISO written to the same stick with Fedora writer did boot in the same machine it wouldn’t boot from with the
ddversion.I know it’s something I did or didn’t do to make it work correctly, so this is not me trying to dunk on
dd, just trying to understand what I did wrong.
